Sunday, September 7, 2014

Were Vaudoises persecuted cause reincarnation?


      I never heard of a single accusation against an anti-popish Christian in the 1500 years of open persecutions against the Vaudoises (Novatian, Patereni, Anabaptists, Picards, Albigenses, etc.), to profess the belief in Reincarnation. But at the opposite, if they were slaughtered it was for well completely different beliefs....

Anathemas (544, 553)

While Patriarch Mennas of Constantinople condemned Origen and a form of apocatastasis at the Synod of Constantinople (543); experts are divided whether the Second Council of Constantinople (the Fifth Ecumenical Council) in 553 ratified the condemnation authentically as "It is [only] certain that the council opened on 5 May, 553, in spite of the protestations of Pope Vigilius, who though at Constantinople refused to attend it, and that in the eight conciliary sessions (from 5 May to 2 June), the Acts of which we possess, only the question of the Three Chapters is treated."[13] Many heteroclite views became associated with Origen, and the 15 anathemas attributed to the council condemn a form of apocatastasis along with the pre-existence of the soul, animism (a heterodox Christology), and a denial of real and lasting resurrection of the body.[59] Some authorities believe these anathemas belong to an earlier local synod.[60] The anathema against Origen in his person, declaring him (among others) a heretic, reads as follows:
If anyone does not anathematize Arius, Eunomius, Macedonius, Apollinaris, Nestorius, Eutyches and Origen, as well as their impious writings, as also all other heretics already condemned and anathematized by the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, and by the aforesaid four Holy Synods and [if anyone does not equally anathematize] all those who have held and hold or who in their impiety persist in holding to the end the same opinion as those heretics just mentioned: let him be anathema.[61]

Origen in the 1970s

In Reincarnation in Christianity (1978), theosophist Geddes MacGregor asserts that Origen believed in reincarnation and taught about it, but that his texts written about the subject have been destroyed.[65]
(......)Origen is regarded by the Roman Catholic Church as a Church Father, but not a Saint.[73]


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".....Farther, the provincial councils of Toulouse, in 1119, and of Lombez, in
1176, and the general councils of Lateran in 1139, and 1179, do not treat of
them, nor condemn them as Albigenses but as heretics, and when they
paricularize them, they denominate them “bons hommet”—(i.e. good
men)—“Cathari”—“Paterini”—“Publicani,” etc. which shows that they
existed before they were generally known as Albigenses. It is also proved,
from their books, that they existed as Waldenses, before the times of Peter
Waldo, who preached about the year 1160. Perrin, who wrote their
history, had in his possession a New Testament in the Vallese language,
written on parchment, in a very ancient letter, and a book entitled in their
language, “Qual cosa sia l’Antichrist”—that is, “What is Antichrist?”
under date of the year 1120, which carries us back at least twenty years
before Waldo. Another book entitled, “The Noble Lesson” —is dated A.D.
Their enemies confirm their great antiquity. Reinerius Saccho, an
inquisitor, and one of their most implacable enemies, who lived only eighty
years after Waldo, admits that the Waldenses flourished five hundred years
before that preacher. Gretzer, the Jesuit, who also wrote against the
Waldenses, and had examined the subject fully, not only admits their great
antiquity, but declares his firm belief that the Toulousians and Albigenses
condemned in the years 1177, and 1178, were no other than Waldenses. In
fact, their doctrine, discipline, government, manners, and even the errors
with which they have been charged (by the Catholics,) show that the
Albigenses and Waldenses were distinct branches of the same sect, or that
the former were sprung from the latter.4
From the death of Claude, bishop of Turin, who may not improperly be
termed the Wickliff of that city, to the times of Peter Waldo of Lyons, a
considerable period intervened, during which, the history of the disciples
of that great man is involved in much obscurity. They seem to have had no
writers among themselves capable of detailing their proceedings during this
period; or, if any records of their ecclesiastical history were committed to
writing, the zeal of their opponents hath prevented their transmission to
our times. In the writings of their adversaries, indeed, we have abundant
proof of their existence, as a class of Christians separated in faith and
practice from the catholic church, and of the multiplication of their
numbers; but of their proceedings in the formation of churches, and of their
order, worship, and discipling, we are very imperfectly informed....."

"....Reinerius Saccho, an
inquisitor, and one of their most implacable enemies, who lived only eighty
years after Waldo, admits that the Waldenses flourished five hundred years
before that preacher."...

1160 - 500 = 660

...aka little more than one century after the " Second Council of Constantinople (the Fifth Ecumenical Council) in 553", where they probably "ratified the condemnation" of Origen's doctrine.

Above image - The Eastern Roman Empire at the age of the Second Council of Constantinople (alleged comdenation of Origen). Notice how it was including North Italy, Piedmont, Lombardy (Milan) and a good part of the Italian Alps.

     Origen's theology - allegedly together with his Reincarnationism -  if condemned, was condemned because the Catholic church, with her abominable apostasy, cruel blasphemies and satanic heresies was dangerously stirring up a Christian reaction, offering to the true followers of the Christ's Gospel valid arguments in to open the eyes of the people against the incommensurable spiritual corruption of the priests of Rome.

      Vaudoises, Patareni, Picards, Anabaptists, etc. didn't suffer the persecution of the church of Rome because they believed in the "transmigration of the souls", but because they righteously believed you have only one life at disposition given by God in order to surrender yourself not to the pope and his evil church, but to the precious blood shed by Jesus Christ the Lord. 

 "......The country in which we find the earliest of these Protesters is Italy. The See of Rome, in those days, embraced only the capital and the surrounding provinces. The diocese of Milan, which included the plain of Lombardy, the Alps of Piedmont, and the southern provinces of France, greatly exceeded it in extent.[1] It is an undoubted historical fact that this powerful diocese was not then tributary to the Papal chair. "The Bishops of Milan," says Pope Pelagius I. (555), "do not come to Rome for ordination." He further informs us that this "was an ancient custom of theirs."[2]
......." [by James A. Wylie]

Tuesday, June 24, 2014

Anabaptist bread. With Catholic leaven.


  1. Well, In my limited research i've found many of the "fathers" either blatant heretics or cryptognostics. Take for example Chrysostom, a very celebrated theologian and a profound antisemite. Behold, the pagan Orthodox justifying one of their satanic practices (snake worship)

    "Do not regard the present serpent; do not regard how we flee it and feel revulsion towards it. It was not such in the beginning. The serpent was the friend of man and the closest of those who served him. and who made it an enemy?..."

    -St John Chrysostom, On the Creation of the World; 6.2

    Chrysostom, described by Luther as a "worthless" father, also said once about Egypt that

    "..the heavens themselves with their manifold and diverse stars do not shine as [brightly] as the deserts of Egypt with their multitudes of men, [who are] equal-to-angels [sic!!!].... "

    Needless to say, many of the gnostics' traditions and teachings are rooted in Egyptian mysticism. As is the cursed monasticism beginning with the "desert fathers" of Egypt. And the corrupt manuscripts - basis of the perverse bibles that the Vatican so craftily promulgates among evangelical christianity.

    Although such beasts are unfit for work, they are fit for killing. And this is what happened to the Jews: while they were making themselves unfit for work, they grew fit for slaughter. This is why Christ said: "But as for these my enemies, who did not want me to be king over them, bring them here and slay them

    The Jews sacrifice their children to Satan… They are worse than wild beasts. The synagogue is a brothel, a den of scoundrels, the temple of demons devoted to idolatrous cults, a criminal assembly of Jews, a place of meeting for the assassins of Christ, a house of ill fame, a dwelling of iniquity, a gulf and abyss of perdition…

    [The Jews] have fallen into a condition lower than the vilest animals. I hate the Jews, because they violate the Law. I hate the Synagogue because it hates the Law and the Prophets. It is the duty of all Christians to hate the Jews.

    St. John Chrysostom� 347� - 407

    "Antichrist will be possessed by Satan and be the illegitimate son of a Jewish woman from the East. This world will be faithless and degenerate after the birth of Anti-Christ


    1. Confirmed by Hitler:

      "........"Hitler was also ready to discuss with the Bishop his views on the Jewish question: "As for the Jews, I am just carrying on with the same policy which the Catholic church has adopted for fifteen hundred years, when it has regarded the Jews as dangerous and pushed them into ghettos etc., because it knew what the Jews were like. I don't put race above religion, but I do see the danger in the representatives of this race for Church and State, and perhaps I am doing Christianity a great service." -"The Nazi Persecution of the Churches" by J.S. Conway, Pgs. 25, 26 & 162. .............."

    2. "The serpent was the friend of man and the closest of those who served him. and who made it an enemy?..."

      This is the redemption of the Serpent/Satan. The Serpent before to be a tool of Satan was different. You cannot change God's Judgement, this guy was pure Satanist.

    3. Yeah, why didn't he say straight :

      " don't fear satan, be his friend, he was not like that in the beginning, something happened to him....he's not that bad"

    4. Did you visit the page about him in wikipedia, not wikiquote?

      Bingo with n. 13:

      "..........The Orthodox and Eastern Catholic Churches honor him as a saint and count him among the Three Holy Hierarchs, together with Basil the Great and Gregory Nazianzus. He is recognized by the Eastern Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church as a saint and as a Doctor of the Church. Churches of the Western tradition, including the Roman Catholic Church, some Anglican provinces, and parts of the Lutheran Church, commemorate him on 13 September. Some Lutheran and many Anglican provinces commemorate him on the traditional Eastern feast day of 27 January. The Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria also recognizes John Chrysostom as a saint (with feast days on 16 Thout and 17 Hathor).[6]................"

      13 September:

      Saturday, June 7, 2014
      13th September, Jesuit pope near Trieste to launch a message on the RED LINE.

      27 January:

      "......As Soviet troops approached Auschwitz in January 1945, most of its population was evacuated and sent on a death march. The prisoners remaining at the camp were liberated on January 27, 1945, a day now commemorated as International Holocaust Remembrance Day. ......."

      27 is the famous thesis of 95 thesis about indulgences:

    5. "The skull was kept at the Moscow Kremlin, in the Cathedral of the Dormition of the Mother of God, until 1920, when it was confiscated by the Soviets and placed in the Museum of Silver Antiquities. In 1988, in connection with the 1000th Anniversary of the Baptism of Russia, the head, along with other important relics, was returned to the Russian Orthodox Church and kept at the Epiphany Cathedral, until being moved to the Cathedral of Christ the Saviour after its restoration"

      Moved from the mother ....... to Christ the Saviour the bolsheviks [symbolic play of the reformation moving salvation from Mary to Jesus]

      And pussy riot representing the three daughters of M.Babylon destroying the "sola fide" principle and the return to the mother?

  2. "Or are you ignorant, Asclepius, that Egypt is (the) image of heaven? Moreover, it is the dwelling place of heaven and all the forces that are in heaven. If it is proper for us to speak the truth, our land is (the) temple of the world."

    Asclepius 21-29
    The Nag Hammadi(gnostic) Library