Obsessed with the Flood 7 - Immigrants suffocate - to let Satan breath

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      Last massacre of immigrants coordinated with pope's interview about poverty?

...Just the same night, after the daily Il Messaggero publishes the propaganda-interview with pope Francis SJ and his 'infallible' opinion on the Communism, on the Catholic blasphemous interpretation of the Lord's Gospel and on the theme of poverty. Thirty immigrates die suffocated in the galley of a fishing vessel:

30/06/2014 07:39:00

Sicily, a new massacre of migrants. Thirty suffocated in a boat with six hundred people

URL:  http://www.tp24.it/2014/06/30/immigrazione/sicilia-nuova-strage-di-migranti-trenta-soffocati-in-un-barcone-con-seicento-persone/84604

Another massacre of the immigration via sea in the Channel of Sicily, again the scene of a tragedy linked to the mass exodus of "sea of despair" in search of salvation from places plagued by wars, conflicts based on ethnic, political or religious, hunger and persecution .

There are thirty, the bodies of migrants who were found about one o'clock at night [Monday early morning, 30th June] on board a rescue boat from the ship "Grecale" of the Italian Navy engaged in the complex operation "Mare Nostrum" in the strait between Africa and Italy....."

 Read the 'infallible' Jesuit pope on Communism:

 неделя, 29 юни 2014 г.

A joke by pope Francis 

http://jesus-partisans-balkans.blogspot.it/2014/06/a-joke-by-pope-francis.html

 

     Yes, the above word "suffocated" as underlined because the church of Rome and her 'infallible' Jesuit pope takes seriously the breathing -  what did say the State secretary of the Vatican, Parolin, exactly the same day when Il Messaggero newspaper published the interview with the pope and in the sequent night thirty wretched immigrants were dying suffocated?...:

"...[the Choir of the Moscow Patriarchate] together with that of the Sistine Chapel has animated the celebration of [pope] Francis. "Even through the art Christianity can and must breathe with both lungs"

From an article of La Stampa by me quoted in: 

http://control-avles-blogs.blogspot.it/2014/06/from-strait-of-hormuz-to-arctic-circle.html

     How many wretched people have to die unsaved in order to satisfy the thirsty of blasphemy of the papacy and of the Jesuits? And how many survivors will be deceived by the poisonous tongue of the 'infallible' pope and will be perverted and dragged away from the arms of the Jesus Christ the Lord and the Savior?


    
  The immigration via boat in the Channel of Sicily as allegory of the passage from the Old World to the New World. The immigrants dying on the Channel of Sicily as allegory of the Satan's desire that inside the Ark, the righteous Shem and his family [the thirty suffocated immigrants], ancestor of Abraham,  would have died - and that many of the  wicked humans who drowned in the Flood could have escaped the Judgement  finding place in the boat as "clandestine" [the other six hundred survivors, clandestine for the legality of Italian legal system henceforth allegory of the "illegal" -  from the point of view of the spiritual law of the New World - wickedness Satan poured again in the world after the Flood. Stay sure they'll do everything in order the survivors remain spiritually unsaved after being physically saved from the waters, to then die in their sins]....:

 

Tuesday, April 8, 2014

Obsessed with the Flood - 6 

http://control-avles-blogs.blogspot.it/2014/04/obsessed-with-flood-6.html

Monday, May 19, 2014

pope Francis S.J., for friends aka: Moloch?.

http://control-avles-blogs.blogspot.it/2014/05/pope-francis-sj-aka-for-friends-as.html

All ready for the Catho-Chinese coupe in Nigeria [POST UNDER CONSTRUCTION SORRY]

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Soon another fulfilment of easy prophecies which are not prophecies but simple deductions from the signs of the geo-politcal and geo-religious global scenario:

1) creating a climate of social war instigating the poor masses against the authorities in the name of the "social justice":

INVESTIGATION: Massacre in Gboko: Soldiers at Dangote’s factory kill 7; company, govt. abandon victims’ families

Ibanga Isine

Published: June 30,2014

URL:  http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/164067-investigation-massacre-in-gboko-soldiers-at-dangotes-factory-kill-7-company-govt-abandon-victims-families.html

2) Bloody attacks mostly to the Catholic part of the population and of course to other not popish (even if apostate) churces:

Nigeria: Chibok Burns Again - As Gunmen Kill 51, Burn Churches, Houses

30 June 2014

Maiduguri — Gunmen suspected to be members of Boko Haram Islamic sect, yesterday, attacked some communities in Chibok and Biu local government areas of Borno State, killing no fewer than 51 people.

Those killed were mostly Christian worshippers. Five churches including Cocin, EYN and Deeper Life Bible Church in Kwada village, about 10 kilometres from Chibok were also burnt down when the gunmen laid ambush on them during church service....."

URL: http://allafrica.com/stories/201406300466.html

 

3) the bloody scenario is ready as stage with the world information and emotion aimed to the voice of the Roman Catholic church - please note the refined Jesuitical psychology, after horrible massacres the majority of moderate Muslims will feel 'guilty' and, without a counter-propaganda from the radical Islam, they' ll immediately will do "good works" in order to appease the Roman Catholics, beginning so a different mind towards the Catholic church, seen, because "victim", as depositary of a sort of "moral" and "religious" superiority respect Islam, and therefore deserving to her even greater respect as the one to the proper confession of cult:

 Catholic bishop urges Muslims to show love, care

By Our Reporter on June 28, 2014 · 

 URL: http://allafrica.com/stories/201406300570.htmlThe Catholic Archbishop of Lagos, Bishop Alfred Martins, has enjoined all Muslims to rededicate themselves to charity during Ramadan and show love and care to their neighbours.
This is contained in a Ramadan message signed by the Director of Social Communications, Msgr. Gabriel Osu, on Saturday in Lagos.
In the message, he said the 30-day Ramadan fast should be a solemn period for the Muslims to reach out to the less privileged in the society.
Martins also called on Muslims to use the period to work together with people of other faith toward building a just and equitable society.
He said this was necessary especially during this crucial period in the nation’s history characterised by insecurity and unprecedented loss of innocent lives.

      Of course they must attack also other churches, for example the Pentecostal ones etc. Otherwise attacking solely the Catholic churches it would be too much suspicious. But mostly they are Catholic for a simple geo-religious fact of reality:

Nigeria: Insurgency - Enugu Churches Screen Worshippers

29 June 2014

ENUGU--AS part of efforts to forestall attack on the church by Boko Haram insurgents who are feared to have invaded the South Eastern states, the Catholic Diocese of Enugu, yesterday, conducted thorough screening of its members before allowing them into the Sunday services...."

URL:  http://allafrica.com/stories/201406300570.html

 

From the Strait of Hormuz to the Arctic circle - II: and now annexation of IRAQ.

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Above image - URL: http://avlesbeluskesexposed.blogspot.it/2011/04/from-dingle-bay-to-straits-of-bering.html

For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, 
and lose his own soul?

Mark 8:36 (KJV)

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       The [Catholic] administration in the White House - even CNN's journalist smelled the stench:

Did U.S. leave vacuum for Iran, Syria?

June 25, 2014 -- Updated 2025 GMT (0425 HKT)

The US isn't doing airstrikes in Iraq. Is there a vacuum for Syria and Iran to step in? CNN's Fareed Zakaria weighs in.

URL:  http://edition.cnn.com/video/?/video/world/2014/06/25/lead-analysis-zakaria-iraq-crisis-iran-syria.cnn&iid=article_sidebar&video_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fedition.cnn.com%2F2014%2F06%2F29%2Fworld%2Fmeast%2Firaq-crisis%2F

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/29/world/meast/iraq-crisis/

       Congratulations with the journalist Fareed Zakarias. Could he have read my posts three, four, quite also five years ago, he would have not used the question marks.

       Obama is only obeying to the order from Vatican: "create a crisis between you and Iraqy government in order to leave space to the Eastern Roman empire". [Putin's Russia with his Southern province aka "Iran"]. The same tactic used with the Mulsim Brotherhood, where the Obama US administration supported the military coupe who disbanded the dreams of an 'holy war' against Assad. Obama saved Assad i.e. Putin i.e. the Eastern Roman Empire - short of memory? Here re-fresh your neural cells:

Monday, March 24, 2014

The spy who came - III 

http://control-avles-blogs.blogspot.it/2014/03/the-spy-who-came-iii.html

      Now you have the smoking gun as regard the "Sunni Caliphate" of which Eric Jon Phelps supported by Craig Oxley was obsessibely hammering in the heads of the anti-Jesuitish 'alternative' internet-surfers for years and years. Anti-Jewish or anti-Jesuitish, the 'alternative' surfers are for great part the same bunch of hypocrisy.

     "Sunni Caliphate" as only a deception, an alibi in order to threw in the eyes the sand of the "Zionist" and "CIA" supported Al Qaeda. But Al Qaeda was always satyisfying the necessity of an alibi for the enlargement of the Eastern Roman Empire, in order then to unite it with the Western Roman Empire (EU). In the last years it is quite sure the Marxist China interests in such Al Qaeda were aimed to help "Putin's Russia" (Eastern Roman empire) thirsty of expansionism. In its turn the Kremlin is supporting the Chinese Panda's pawn on Chinese sea, on Vietnam and Philippines:

Sunday, July 15, 2012

Un-employed Al Qaeda found second job with [Jesuit-Marxist masterminded] China? 

http://avlesbeluskesexposed.blogspot.it/2012/07/un-employed-al-qaeda-found-second-job.html

     Today we know why China allegedly offered an employment to jobeless Al Qaeda. Look at Iraq:

  29 June 2014 Last updated at 07:13 GMT

Iraq receives Russian fighter jets to fight rebels

URL: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28077273

    Look at the map in the above quoted article, Sirya, Iran and Iraq have to melt in order to constitute the Southern bulwark for the Eastern Roman (Catholic) Empire, today known as "Putin's Russia". From the Strait of Hormuz to the Arctic circle.

Friday, April 4, 2014

From the Strait of Hormuz to the Arctic circle. 

http://control-avles-blogs.blogspot.it/2014/04/from-strait-of-hormuz-to-arctic-circle.html

 Here you have the final confirmation. In an speech about Communism and Iraq:

 

 "It's hard to stay honest in politics, the environment conditions,"  

Pope Francis: "The Communists have stolen the flag of the poor"  

The pontiff to the Messenger: "The issue of poverty is a Christian" .  

And after the Angelus appeals to prevent the Iraq war: "Dialogue is the only way to peace"  

URL:  http://www.corriere.it/esteri/14_giugno_29/papa-francesco-comunisti-ci-hanno-rubato-bandiera-poveri-c19c6a22-ff71-11e3-ae4d-7c1f18234268.shtml

         This was only the first part regarding both Iraq as well the Vatican Communism [see References], or the pillage of the poor people using the Gospel as "human shield" to hide themselves behind. As regard Iraq war, seen from the perspective of the expansion of the Eastern Roman (Catholic) Empire, in the future to be absorbed inside the Western Roman (Catholic) empire, all is confirmed by this simple news:

 

 29/06/2014

Parolin thanked the Choir of the Moscow Patriarchate

Together with that of the Sistine Chapel has animated the celebration of [pope] Francis. "Even through the art of Christianity can and must breathe with both lungs"

Redazione roma

URL:  http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/vaticano/dettaglio-articolo/articolo/ecumenismo-ecumenism-ecumenismo-34981/

On the occasion of the feast of Saints Peter and Paul, the Choir of the Moscow Patriarchate and the Sistine Chapel are animated together the celebration of Pope Francis in the Basilica of St. Peter. The two ensembles have also performed a concert together last night in the Sistine Chapel entitled "Ut unum sint. The musical tradition of the two lungs of the Church. "And the Secretary of State Pietro Parolin - in a speech released by the Vatican Radio - wanted to greet Patriarch Kirill and the entire Russian Orthodox Church, stressing that "the passion for sacred music traditions of two seemingly so far away, lets contemplate a ray of beauty that emanates from the encounter with the Savior. "

"Even through art - said the Secretary of State - Christianity can and must breathe with two lungs, with the traditions of East and West." "The sacred music - adds the cardinal - makes us feel enveloped in the same mystery of grace and makes us feel so special nostalgia for unity." The union of the two choirs - he concluded the cardinal Parolin - wants to be "a tangible sign of a willingness to walk together, working for the good of the people of our time, and beg the Lord for the gift of full communion among all believers in Christ. " 

      "The sacred music - adds the cardinal - makes us feel enveloped in the same mystery of grace and makes us feel so special nostalgia for unity."... Well, Father Kiril Romanov (provisorily) is only the fantasy of a Jesuitical psychiatrist, we can quite consider under Satan's inspiration,  but a "fantasy" (a spirit? Legion?) waiting the right living body within to incarnate....:
  

  ".... Father Kiril Romanov, the Cova’s pastor, is a solidly-orthodox CATHOLIC priest and a talented musician who keeps the classics of great polyphonic Catholic music alive in the context of a weekly high TRIDENTINE MASS. ...."

 Thursday, April 24, 2014

ROMAN CATHOLIC Romanov soon on the throne of Jesuits' Kremlin [H. Stiliyanov confirmed] 

http://control-avles-blogs.blogspot.it/2014/04/roman-catholic-romanov-soon-on-throne.html

Tuesday, April 12, 2011

From Dingle Bay to the Straits of Bering: the true cause of the contemporary events shaking the world 

http://avlesbeluskesexposed.blogspot.it/2011/04/from-dingle-bay-to-straits-of-bering.html

-----------------------------REFERENCES:

I noticed the last post of Stiliyanov:

 неделя, 29 юни 2014 г.

A joke by pope Francis 

http://jesus-partisans-balkans.blogspot.it/2014/06/a-joke-by-pope-francis.html

 

 The picture of the flag comes from the historical famous post of Douglas Willinger where he reported it from an online news:

Sunday, June 15, 2008

A Buried Standard 

http://continuingcounterreformation.blogspot.it/2008/06/buried-standard.html

   Pope Francis SJ, reported by the quoted article from newspaper Il Corriere della Sera,  told that ....."the poor are at the heart of the Gospel. Take Matthew 25, the protocol over which we shall be judged: I was hungry, I was thirsty, I was in prison, I was sick, naked. Or look at the Beatitudes, another flag. The communists say that this is a communist. Yeah, right, twenty centuries later. So you might say when talking to them, but you are a Christian. ". 

     Well after 2000 years after Luke 20:47 and his widows, the scribes found another PR in pope Francis SJ. What distinguish the Antichrist and a worshiper of Satan like this pope, is the policy consisting in to never tell the truth to the people, where famine and poverty aren't a condition of "blessing", but the judgement of God respect an apostate country, for his warfare against the Lord's Gospel.  Roman Catholicism is working at his best as a tool of Satan to reverse the significance of the divine signs. Because Satanism at his best is not an open, frontal deny of the Gospel, but a perfidious cunning use of some pieces of the Gospel to increase the legions of Satan on earth.

 Pope Francis SJ - diligent vicarious aka anti of Christ - repeats the Lord's invite to give the proper wealth away, to the poor, but because he is sure that  the great part of the receivers are un-saved and un-repented.  "Saved people doesn't need of wealth" is the popish slogan for heathens hit by the judgement of God and label themselves "Christians"

And as regards the Communism this was all. See:

 Thursday, May 1, 2014

First May, the feast of the Vatican pillage of heretics? 

http://control-avles-blogs.blogspot.it/2014/05/first-may-feast-of-vatican-pillage-of.html

"Down into the water": who were the first Baptists?

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After John the Baptist: 

Matthew 3:16 - And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

Acts 8:38 - And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

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  URL: http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Water-Baptism/

Bible Verses About Water Baptism

Bible verses related to Water Baptism from the King James Version (KJV) by Relevance

- Sort By Book Order

Acts 2:38 - Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22:16 - And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Matthew 3:11 - I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and [with] fire:

Mark 16:16 - He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

1 Peter 3:21 - The like figure whereunto [even] baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Acts 2:41 - Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added [unto them] about three thousand souls.

Acts 10:48 - And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Romans 6:4 - Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Acts 8:38 - And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

Colossians 2:12 - Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with [him] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

Acts 8:36-39 - And as they went on [their] way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, [here is] water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?   (Read More...)

Acts 8:26-39 - And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert.   (Read More...)

John 3:23 - And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

Matthew 3:16 - And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

Ephesians 2:8-9 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:   (Read More...)

Galatians 3:27 - For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

1 Corinthians 12:1-31 - Now concerning spiritual [gifts], brethren, I would not have you ignorant.   (Read More...)

Acts 10:47 - Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

Acts 9:18 - And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.

Acts 8:36-38 - And as they went on [their] way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, [here is] water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?   (Read More...)

John 1:29-31 - The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.   (Read More...)

John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Mark 16:15 - And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Matthew 28:19 - Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Matthew 28:18-20 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.   (Read More...)

Hebrews 9:28 - So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Titus 3:5 - Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Colossians 3:17 - And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, [do] all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

Acts 2:1-47 - And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.   (Read More...)

John 4:1 - When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,

John 3:5 - Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

1 Peter 3:20 - Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Colossians 1:18 - And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.

Ephesians 4:4-6 - [There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;   (Read More...)

Ephesians 2:8 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

Romans 6:3-4 - Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?   (Read More...)

Romans 6:3 - Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Romans 6:1-18 - What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?   (Read More...)

Acts 18:8 - And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized.

Acts 16:30-33 - And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?   (Read More...)

Acts 16:13-15 - And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted [thither].   (Read More...)

Acts 10:47-48 - Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?   (Read More...)

Acts 8:39 - And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

Acts 8:36 - And as they went on [their] way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, [here is] water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

Acts 8:35-39 - Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.   (Read More...)

Acts 8:35-38 - Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.   (Read More...)

Acts 8:16 - (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

Acts 4:12 - Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

John 14:26 - But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 14:15 - If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 5:43 - I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

John 4:2 - (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)

John 4:1-2 - When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,   (Read More...)

John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 1:32-34 - And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.   (Read More...)

Luke 13:3 - I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Mark 1:10 - And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:

Mark 1:9 - And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.

1 Samuel 1:27-28 - For this child I prayed; and the LORD hath given me my petition which I asked of him:   (Read More...)

Some scripture references/categories courtesy of Open Bible .info under CC BY 3.0

 By Douglas Willinger:

Friday, June 27, 2014

The 1st "Baptist"? - Cyprian 

http://continuingcounterreformation.blogspot.it/2014/06/the-1st-baptist-cyprian.html

Anabaptist bread. With Catholic leaven.

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   And he charged them, saying, 

Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod. 

Mark 8:15, KJB

 

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How you can be more a deceiver?

 [My Italic, parenthesis, question marks].

"....... In 1184, they were included in a papal decree against dangerous heretics and became subject to anti-heresy legislation, despite lack of evidence [???] that they were unorthodox. But repression was patchy, depending on the interest of the authorities. (.....)....

Gradually tensions appeared within the movement. Valdes hoped for reconciliation with the Catholic Church [???] and having a reforming influence in it....(....)....

Somewhat surprisingly, many retained devotion to Mary [???], despite the teachings of their leaders. ....(.....).....

On baptism, there was uncertainty. They were not fully convinced infant baptism was biblical or appropriate, but they seem rarely to have abandoned it. [???] .....".

Source: http://www.anabaptistnetwork.com/waldensians

 

Written by:

 Stuart Murray Williams

Tutor in Mission

 Stuart spent 12 years as an urban church planter in East London and has continued to be involved in church planting as a trainer, mentor, writer, strategist and consultant. For 9 years he was Oasis Director of Church Planting and Evangelism at Spurgeon’s College, London. Since then, under the auspices of the Anabaptist Network, he has worked as a trainer and consultant, with particular interest in urban mission, church planting and emerging forms of church. He is the founder of Urban Expression. He has written books on church planting, urban mission, emerging church, the challenge of post-Christendom and the Anabaptist tradition.

URL: http://www.bristol-baptist.ac.uk/content/stuart-murray-williams-0

 

They "...seem rarely to have abandoned it"??...:

 ".... Not only is there a lack of affirmation of a belief in infant baptism among the early Waldenses, but there is evidence that they openly rejected that doctrine. Everts says:

The creed of the Bohemian Waldenses published in 1532 (quoted by Sterck) is equally explicit on this point of dispute: "It is clear as day that infant baptism does no good, and is not ordered by Christ, but invented by man. Christ wants His baptism based upon His word for the forgiveness of sins, and then He promises, he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved.” [19]

Says Orchard:

Jacob Merning says that he had, in the German tongue, a confession of faith of the Baptists, called Waldenses, which declared the absence of infant baptism in the early churches of these people, that their forefathers practised no such thing. . . . [20]

URL: http://www.abaptistvoice.com/English/Books/Waldenses.htm#Chapter-2

    It is interest in the Roman Catholicism to present the true Christians contesting her blasphemies as "born from the void", without any form of lineage coming from the early Christians and the Apostolic tradition. Therefore Waldenses or Vaudoises, for the desire of the popes, were only a “sect” born just only from the mystical experience of a rich man, Waldo, who made out of himself poor in order to “discover” Christian values. 

    The true interest of the Catholic church, a concentrate of prostitution and abomination, is the haunt of the Christians, to destroy them as ordered by Satan. Therefore the vigorous exposition of the practice of the Roman Catholicism, the mass, the pedo-baptism, the confession, the popery and millions of other nails they everyday try to fix in the Jesus Crhist's body, (His church of the true believers), has NOT to be presented as the product of the transmission of the true doctrines of eternal life directly from the Apostolic age. If the Waldenses originated from Waldo, it means there was no one before him and like him, and therefore the only presence, from the Apostolic age, ought to be the one of the church of Rome. Conclusion: if there was present only the church of Rome, it is natural consequence to consider her (false) teaching as the “true Christian doctrine”.

    Satan has many bakers ready to cook his evil bread in the most different shapes, also the “anti-Catholic” ones, because no one then will imagine it containing his leaven. 

 

    To be convinced about this, read James A. Wylie in his “The history of Protestantism”, Volume first, book first, about the early Italian Christians of the late ancient age. How is it possible that pastors  like Stuart Murray Williams don't make the least hint to this early story of Christian struggle against Catholic apostasy, and how the Jesus Christ's doctrine could have been preserved all along the centuries, directly from the Apostolic age, also inside the valleys and on the mountains of the Alps and then everywhere in the Central Europe? A true Anabaptist believer must have interest in to consider his/her belief as the true genuine one, of the first hour, flowing directly from Jesus Christ's grace, because the true sect created by men and inspired by Satan, here, is the one of Rome and not of the Anabaptists:

 

 "...... The Nobla Leycon, which dates from

the year 1100, [3] goes to prove that the

Waldenses of Piedmont did not owe their rise

to Peter Waldo of Lyons, who did not appear

till the latter half of that century

(1160)............"

by James A. Wylie

 The History of Protestantism

 by James A. Wylie (1808-1890)

 CHAPTER 5 [exceerpt]

MEDIAEVAL PROTESTANT WITNESSES.

 http://www.whatsaiththescripture.com/Voice/History.Protestant.v1.b1.html#CHAPTER%205

 [my note, of avles: Aquileia town of Rufinus is about twenty kilometres from my town]

 Ambrose of Milan – His Diocese – His Theology – Rufinus, Presbyter of Aquileia – Laurentius of Milan – The Bishops of the Grisons – Churches of Lombardy in Seventh and Eighth Centuries – Claude in the Ninth Century – His Labors – Outline of his Theology – His Doctrine of the Eucharist – His Battle against Images – His Views on the Roman Primacy – Proof thence arising – Councils in France approve his Views – Question of the Services of the Roman Church to the Western Nations. 

The apostasy was not universal. At no time did God leave His ancient Gospel without witnesses. When one body of confessors yielded to the darkness, or was cut off by violence, another arose in some other land, so that there was no age in which, in some country or other of Christendom, public testimony was not borne against the errors of Rome, and in behalf of the Gospel which she sought to destroy.

The country in which we find the earliest of these Protesters is Italy. The See of Rome, in those days, embraced only the capital and the surrounding provinces. The diocese of Milan, which included the plain of Lombardy, the Alps of Piedmont, and the southern provinces of France, greatly exceeded it in extent.[1] It is an undoubted historical fact that this powerful diocese was not then tributary to the Papal chair. "The Bishops of Milan," says Pope Pelagius I. (555), "do not come to Rome for ordination." He further informs us that this "was an ancient custom of theirs."[2] Pope Pelagius, however, attempted to subvert this "ancient custom," but his efforts resulted only in a wider estrangement between the two dioceses of Milan and Rome. For when Platina speaks of the subjection of Milan to the Pope under Stephen IX.,[3] in the middle of the eleventh century, he admits that "for 200 years together the Church of Milan had been separated from the Church of Rome." Even then, though on the very eve of the Hildebrandine era, the destruction of the independence of the diocese was not accomplished without a protest on the part of its clergy, and a tumult on the part of the people. The former affirmed that "the Ambrosian Church was not subject to the laws of Rome; that it had been always free, and could not, with honor, surrender its liberties." The latter broke out into clamor, and threatened violence to Damianus, the deputy sent to receive their submission. "The people grew into higher ferment," says Baronius;[4] "the bells were rung; the episcopal palace beset; and the legate threatened with death." Traces of its early independence remain to this day in the Rito or Culto Ambrogiano, still in use throughout the whole of the ancient Archbishopric of Milan.

One consequence of this ecclesiastical independence of Northern Italy was, that the corruptions of which Rome was the source were late in being introduced into Milan and its diocese. The evangelical light shone there some centuries after the darkness had gathered in the southern part of the peninsula. Ambrose, who died A.D. 397, was Bishop of Milan for twenty-three years. His theology, and that of his diocese, was in no essential respects different from that which Protestants hold at this day. The Bible alone was his rule of faith; Christ alone was the foundation of the Church; the justification of the sinner and the remission of sins were not of human merit, but by the expiatory sacrifice of the Cross; there were but two Sacraments, Baptism and the Lord's Supper, and in the latter Christ was held to be present only figuratively.[5] Such is a summary of the faith professed and taught by the chief bishop of the north of Italy in the end of the fourth century.[6]

Rufinus, of Aquileia, first metropolitan in the diocese of Milan, taught substantially the same doctrine in the fifth century. His treatise on the Creed no more agrees with the catechism of the Council of Trent than does the catechism of Protestants.[7] His successors at Aquileia, so far as can be gathered from the writings which they have left behind them, shared the sentiments of Rufinus.
To come to the sixth century, we find Laurentius, Bishop of Milan, holding that the penitence of the heart, without the absolution of a priest, suffices for pardon; and in the end of the same century (A.D. 590) we find the bishops of Italy and of the Grisons, to the number of nine, rejecting the communion of the Pope, as a heretic, so little then was the infallibility believed in, or the Roman supremacy acknowledged.[8] In the seventh century we find Mansuetus, Bishop of Milan, declaring that the whole faith of the Church is contained in the Apostles' Creed; from which it is evident that he did not regard as necessary to salvation the additions which Rome had then begun to make, and the many she has since appended to the apostolic doctrine. The Ambrosian Liturgy, which, as we have said, continues to be used in the diocese of Milan, is a monument to the comparative purity of the faith and worship of the early Churches of Lombardy.
In the eighth century we find Paulinus, Bishop of Aquileia, declaring that "we feed upon the divine nature of Jesus Christ, which cannot be said but only with respect to believers, and must be understood metaphorically." Thus manifest is it that he rejected the corporeal manducation of the Church at Rome. He also warns men against approaching God through any other mediator or advocate than Jesus Christ, affirming that He alone was conceived without sin; that He is the only Redeemer, and that He is the one foundation of the Church. "If any one," says Allix, "will take the pains to examine the opinions of this bishop, he will find it a hard thing not to take notice that he denies what the Church of Rome affirms with relation to all these articles, and that he affirms what the Church of Rome denies."[9]

It must be acknowledged that these men, despite their great talents and their ardent piety, had not entirely escaped the degeneracy of their age. The light that was in them was partly mixed with darkness. Even the great Ambrose was touched with a veneration for relics, and a weakness for other superstitious of his times. But as regards the cardinal doctrines of salvation, the faith of these men was essentially Protestant, and stood out in bold antagonism to the leading principles of the Roman creed. And such, with more or less of clearness, must be held to have been the profession of the pastors over whom they presided. And the Churches they ruled and taught were numerous and widely planted. They flourished in the towns and villages which dot the vast plain that stretches like a garden for 200 miles along the foot of the Alps; they existed in those romantic and fertile valleys over which the great mountains hang their pine forests and snows, and, passing the summit, they extended into the southern provinces of France, even as far as to the Rhone, on the banks of which Polycarp, the disciple of John, in early times had planted the Gospel, to be watered in the succeeding centuries by the blood of thousands of martyrs. Darkness gives relief to the light, and error necessitates a fuller development and a clearer definition of truth. On this principle the ninth century produced the most remarkable perhaps of all those great champions who strove to set limits to the growing superstition, and to preserve, pure and undefiled, the faith which apostles had preached. The mantle of Ambrose descended on Claudius, Archbishop of Turin. This man beheld with dismay the stealthy approaches of a power which, putting out the eyes of men, bowed their necks to its yoke, and bent their knees to idols. He grasped the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God, and the battle which he so courageously waged, delayed, though it could not prevent, the fall of his Church's independence, and for two centuries longer the light continued to shine at the foot of the Alps. Claudius was an earnest and indefatigable student of Holy Scripture. That Book carried him back to the first age, and set him down at the feet of apostles, at the feet of One greater than apostles; and, while darkness was descending on the earth, around Claude still shone the day.....". Etc.

Chapter 5. continues in the page at the above link.

 

Friday, May 30, 2014

"WALDENSES WERE INDEPENDENT BAPTISTS" [see Val di Susa] 

http://control-avles-blogs.blogspot.it/2014/05/waldenses-were-independent-baptists-see.html